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The publication of "If speed vans are legal why do they run?" on the internet resulted in many emails being sent to us. Here are some of the views...
| Chris Walker |
Hi Peter (I assume that's the right name from the copyright)
I just read your article on speeding & the governments obtuse version of the so called facts & its
reactions. I fully agree with what you have said & love the figures for accident causes, you may
like to point out that the TRL figures state that "speed was a contributing factor" in those 7.14%
of acidents, not the actual cause ! Their figures also show there is one higher cause of
accidents, as per your DISTRACTION theme, specifically (if memory serves correctly, you might want
to check this figure) 8.5% of distraction accidents are caused by parents with children in the car
! We have all seen moms turning around to console, attend to, correct or punish chidren & cross
the white line, hit the kerb, or run a red light !
I have never seen a single government add that says hey pay attention to the job in hand i.e.
DRIVING, parents or we will prosecute you ! That is the single largest cause of accidents in the
UK & not a single thing has ever been done about it.
I live round the corner from a primary school & they were going to put speed bumps in because of
the school. My cul-de-sac leads on to a loop road (i.e. goes round in a circle & joins itself just
before the entrance from the main road) where the school is. At school times you can't drive
faster than 20mph even if you wanted to with all the moms & teachers cars parked in the road !
The only people speeding at school times are the moms racing round the other side of the loop road
to get their kids to school. They would be the first to complain if a kid was knocked down, but
they race past other kids walking to school because they are late. When this was poited out to the
local council, they relented & have not put the bumps in. This is great, as I normally use the
road outside school times (2/3rds of the day remember) & don't want to be bumped about for no
reason.
The Radar controlled traffic lights are great & there is another effect not mentioned on your
site. I tripped one in Portugal without realising it whilst trying to read the road junction
ahead, then stopped at the red light. When I was stopped I was heckled by the locals that had to
stop behind me, they were calling me an idiot (clean version) with their horns for making them
stop to. So the advantage with this system is a positive peer pressure response. More people are
afraid of being considered arseholes, than of speed fines !
Keep up the good work, maybe the government will see sense come the revolution :)
Cheers
Chris Walker.
Ex Bike Courier & hater of all speed cameras on open roads.
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| MR.A.Jones |
hi
I was going home from work on a saturday afternoon on the M4 between cardiff and bridgend and thats when i saw a white van on a brigde
I was going 90mph, not many cars on the M4 i was on the outerlane , no cars in front nor behind me i passed a car and then with plenty of room went in the middle lane then the leftlane as i slowed down to 80mph, i know this is high speed but there wasn`t many cars there at the time .
I always do about 75-80mph on that road and so do others , even when there is many cars on the M4 but come on! On a saturday afternoon no cars on the road?
I think this is trying to get people off the road and people back on the unemployment list . then if that makes me a bad driver as i sometimes drive a lot becouse its my job and then i think the police want to think about safety that little bit more, do you think the same as me?....MR.A.Jones...
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| Mike Dawrant |
Dear Sir,
I came accross an Illegally parked police Speed limit enforcement vehicle in West London which was specifically parked across a cycle lane and with two wheels on the pavement. I stopped and challenged the officer but he refused to move. I have drafted the following letter but I an not sure who I should address the letter to. Have you any suggestions?
Dear Sir,
I would like to make you aware of the following Incident:
At approx 13.00hrs on Monday 7th June 2004, during the course of my work I had cause to drive along Yeading Lane, Hayes. I was proceeding in a northerly direction when I came upon a Mobile speed limit enforcement Vehicle, namely a Vauxhall Van, Index No LY03 VFT, which appeared to me to be parked Illegally.
Specifically the van was parked with the nearside wheels on the pavement. In addition to this it was also completely obstructing a cycle lane (see Figure 1).
I took it upon myself to investigate the matter further, so I parked my vehicle approx 50 yards past the police van, in a marked parking bay adjacent to the nearside kerb. I then proceeded to walk back the short distance to the offending vehicle. Whereupon I noticed that the side loading door (nearside) was open and sitting inside the rear of the vehicle was police officer XB583.
I asked the officer if he realised that the vehicle was causing an obstruction by being parked across a Cycle lane and also by blocking the footpath. He seemed unconcerned and answered yes.
I then asked if it was an offence to park in a cycle lane or on the pavement and was told that he was exempt. His tone of voice was rather abrupt and not wanting to get involved in an argument I politely explained that should a cyclist approach the van they would have to swerve out into the traffic to avoid the parked van.
The officer just shrugged his shoulders! I then tried to explain to him that should a member of the public with a baby in a pushchair approach along the footpath then they would not be able to get past the van, before he had chance to answer me I put another scenario to him.
I asked what would happen if a disabled person in a wheelchair wished to get past the van. His answer was that he would offer to help them and said “in any case I have left a good six foot there” pointing to the distance between the van and the garden hedge to the nearside of the van.
I pointed out there was very little pavement that could be used and in fact most of that six foot was quite rough grass verge, not suitable for either a buggy or a wheelchair.
I said “would you move the van?” and the officer answered that he couldn’t. When asked why he couldn’t move it he offered the explanation that there was a generator at the back of the van which would need to be disconnected.
So I put it to him that it was not that he couldn’t move the van but more that he wouldn’t. He did not answer this.
Next I said to him “ I always thought the police had a responsibility to lead by example, but you are here showing a blatant disregard for other people and are quite happy to cause inconvenience to others” his answer to this was “That’s your opinion and your entitled to it”
I then said to him, “I realise that you have a job to do, but could you not do it with the van parked legally and not causing an obstruction?” he said “we have to do it here”
Finally I said “So you are not prepared to even consider moving your vehicle” and he answered “No I can‘t”. I then gave him the courtesy of telling him I was not happy to leave the matter as it was and explained I would be taking it further. I told him I would make a note of his number and that of the vehicle. He simply said “Fine!”
I thanked him for his time and began to return to my vehicle. As I walked back I noticed an elderly man coming towards me on the footpath riding on an electric motorised scooter. The mobility type with four wheels. I paused and watched from a discreet distance as this gentleman approached the enforcement vehicle. I was thoroughly appalled at what happened next.
As the elderly gent approached the van he had to slow his scooter down to a virtual stop, he looked at awkward situation confronting him and then obviously decided his only option was to ride partially up onto the grass verge.
I watched as two wheels of his scooter went up on the rough grass and as he struggled past the police vehicle and I was deeply saddened to see his poor head shaken quite violently from side to side as he did the best he could in the most awkward situation your officer had created.
The mans only alternative would have been to go around the offside of the van into the path of oncoming traffic, a situation
I would not have allowed as I considered that too dangerous. I would have stood in front of the traffic myself had the elderly person attempted this.
What really angered me the most was the fact that your officer XB583, did not at any time attempt to get out of the vehicle or assist the man in any way, despite what he had just said to me.
I am sorry this letter is so long but I feel quite incensed by what happened and I would like you to answer the following questions if you would be kind enough to do me the courtesy:
Is a police vehicle exempt as claimed by your officer from the two parking offences whilst enforcing speed limits?
Do you believe your officer acted in a fit and proper manner?
Do you condone the obstruction of either the cycle lane or the footpath when a suitable parking place was available less than 50 yards away (as proved by myself parking there)
Is this the first time such a vehicle has been used for enforcement on this stretch of road? And if not was the vehicle parked considerately in a marked bay previously or was it obstructing either the cycle lane or footpath?
The Association of Chief Police Officers’ code of practice for operational use of road policing enforcement technology states “The operator should always choose a site which affords them and road users maximum safety with regard to any potential hazard”.
Does the Metropolitan police subscribe to this code of practice and if so in your opinion did your officer show any regard to other road users safety?
Will you be taking any further action in respect of this incident?
Yours Sincerely
Mr M.Dawrant |
Please feel free to alter the text if you feel it will help.
Many Thanks
Mike Dawrant
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| David Dunlop |
Hi,
Liked your article and video of the illegally parked Taliban. Just a story
about Strathclyde’s finest I thought I would share with you.
A few years ago I left a marina in Scotland late on a Wednesday night
(10:00pm) as a passenger in a Vauxhall Nova which was owned by one of our
younger crew.
As we went through the town he overtook a car at over 40mph
(in a 30mph) that was crawling at 20mph. He next jumped a set of traffic
lights and continued through the town at 50+ mph.
Me being 26/27 at the time advised him on numerous occasions to slow down but he continued in boy-racer mode. About 5 miles on he was pulled over by the car he had overtaken, yes
an unmarked police car, a second squad car arrived seconds later.
Now you would expect the police to lock him up and throw away the key. No, how wrong
can we be!!!!!! The police on inspecting his car noticed the Tulliallan
badge in the front windscreen. This badge is for the Scottish Police College
at Tulliallan.
The police asked him about it and he said it was there because his Dad was a police officer. The police knew this officer and gave him a warning only.
This guy is now at Tulliallan training to be a cop. They seem to be good at looking after their own and to hell with the rest of the public.
Best regards,
David
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Peter Ferreira
MakingSuccess.com |
After submitting one of many letters to http://www.shropshireonline.gov.uk regarding certain inaccuracies in their reports, this was the reply I got...
Date: 6/21/2004 10:20:49 +0100
From: jackie.smith@shropshire-cc.gov.uk
To: info@makingsuccess.com
Subject: letter |
All headers |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
See the file.
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...and downloading the file resulted in...
To this day I still don't know what their reply was. And I like to think that it wasn't intentional that it came with a virus.
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| John Barber
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Hi,
I like your site, and like you I'm disgusted with the whole speed camera/trap issue, so I was wondering if there is a web-site where everyone who is can sign/register?
It would have to be a proper/formal site with clear concise information/guidlines for it to maybe have some real impact with governement?
Thanks
John
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| Mark Hammond |
I was reading your article and totally agreed with everything you said.
All they want is money from decent people.
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| Frank Tinley |
Surely if these "safety" cameras are there to slow us down, then every time one goes off it goes to prove that it didn't work,!!!!!!!
so why bother , if it's not just a "money maker" . why not save the money it cost in the first place , and spend it on improving the quality of the roads??
maybe that's too simple ,and it wouldn't pay the wages of the person who massages the statistics.!!!!!!!!! !!
yours frank
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Paul Smith
Safe Speed |
Hi Peter,
Saw the link on Pistonheads. Your Talivan page contains this:
"Don't you think it's a bit strange that you only get speed traps on
straights, the exact area of the road were you should be allowed to move??"
Here's why: http://www.safespeed.org.uk/rules.html
They got the rules for speed camera placement wrong!
You'll probably like the Safe Speed web site. :)
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Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
web: http://www.safespeed.org.uk
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| Rob Norman |
I have just read http://www.makingsuccess.com/talivan/ and it is great...
its a good job there are people like you in this country!
GOOD JOB!
RapidRob Norman
1990 Skoda Rapid 136
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| Zukhoi |
Nice comments man.
It's the ppl who do 25 all the way, them pull out of junctions without looking that are the real dangers on the roads. Too much emphasis on speed and not enough on sensible driving in this shitty country :(
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| Dave Stanway |
Hi,
Just been reading your article on the website www.makingsuccess,com/talivan & i'd like
to say it made very intersting reading. I totally agree with all your
comments & was shocked by some of the statistics you provided within the
article.
Lets hope the day comes soon when all speed camera's on major trunk roads &
Motorways are taken to the place they belong - the scrap yard.
Regards
Dave Stanway
"Better to light a candle than curse the dark"
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| Neil Sunderland |
Hi There,
Love your site, this is stuff everyone needs to know about. As a professional driver myself i spend more time looking for speed traps and cameras than i do actually taking notice of the things i should be.
I am an HGV driver and the most annoying thing is not crawling past another wagon at 56 mph
but when i'm on a roll i fly up the arse of some tit on a motorway or dual carriageway doing 50 and being totally oblivious about it. Hence i then cause a problem trying to get around them.
Anyway, i was caught speeding in January, 40 in a 30 on a built up bit of dual carriageway that is not even a mile in length. It runs up to some traffic lights and then over onto same style of road which is now a 40 limit and again not a mile in length. This has recently had an oversize round a bout put on it so two cars struggle around it with the inside one hitting the curb
usually, 100 yards further on "traffic calming" has been used to bring two perfectly good lanes into one then open up to dual carriagway again.
When i was caught, i had no idea. Never saw a van, a police car , a camera sign or anything. Is this stealth or what? I am currently on going with this as i have a Norwegian relative who just happened to be driving my car that day. If i have no luck with this i am willing to go to jail as i am so pig sick of the current situation. I really sometimes feel like i want to go out and commit a crime to justify the fact i'm getting punished.
Hope this is of some use to you, i feel better for getting it of my chest.
Neil,
Sunderland.
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| Oliver |
Loved the piece on the speed camera's and agree with it 110%...I really
don't see the point in them, as you see all the drivers slow down for the
camera and speed up again afterwards anyway!
You'd think the goverment make enough money from the sky high road tax and
petrol tax!
One day there will be justice...
Keep the fight alive!
Oliver
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| Ferrocky |
Hi,
Thanks for the great website, I couldn't agree more with you BRAVO!!!
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| David Peers |
Hi Folks,
Just though I'd share a reply I had to my rant over speed cameras!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: MAY, Theresa [mailto:MayT@parliament.uk]
Sent: 13 February 2004 19:36
To: 'Dave Peers'
Cc: GREEN, Damian
Subject: RE: M25 Speed camera danger
Mr Peers
Thank you for your email and the information about the M25. I am passing
this email on to Damian Green MP in my team who has been leading for us on
the issue of speed cameras. I am sure Damian will be interested in what you
have told us and will look in to it.
The Rt Hon Theresa May MP
Shadow Secretary of State for Environment and Transport
Tel: 020 7219 5206
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-----Original Message from David Peers-----
From: Dave Peers []
Sent: 13 February 2004 10:23
To: mayt@parliament.uk
Subject: M25 Speed camera danger
Dear Theresa,
Have you driven on the southern section of the M25 between the Heathrow to
Gatwick section recently? There you will find road works where the lanes
have been narrowed and the Highways Agency have littered this section with
distracting warning signs that avert your concentration from the road ahead.
Given the volume of traffic on this road it's bad enough without road works
trying to negotiate the correct lane to occupy for the terminal or junction
required while keeping your eyes peeled for the ever changing overhead speed
limits forcing the driver to concentrate that bit more on their Speedo than
on the flow of traffic around and in front of them.
Now try it with narrower, twisting lanes and Highway Agency warning signs
littered about the verge, often obscured when passing high-sided and
articulated vehicles... Not only does the driver have to contend with these
added distractions they have to concentrate even harder on their Speedos
because there are LOADS of speed cameras now.
I am British driver living in London with 20 years and over 0.25 million
miles driving experience and a (rare) clean licence. I drove through this
area yesterday and was alarmed at the degree of difficulty drivers face
because of these speed cameras. To mind your speed so carefully means
glancing at your Speedo frequently; unless you have cruise control. Not
everyone has this necessity these days! This means you are less aware of
cars braking normally and those braking to avoid the GATSO cameras. By the
time you do notice you have lost LIFE-SAVING braking distance. This amount
of concentration also means less cognitive time spent analysing conditions
and maintaining the need for tighter lane discipline and keeping proper
distance and that must surely be more dangerous than a few miles an hour
over the speed limit? Don't believe me? Try it and see! This cannot be about
road safety because anyone in their right mind would see these cameras
actually make this road more dangerous.
I would be obliged if your office would investigate this dangerous situation
before a fatality occurs owing to the deployment of these particular
so-called "safety cameras" as they clearly are nothing of the sort!
Kind regards,
David Peers
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| Kabelgat |
Hey,
last month I got pulled on the road out of Harwich, dual carriage way,
sunny day, dry nearly no traffic driving at 75 miles per hour, I apologised to
the uniformed tax collectors and told them I have been in Germany for the last
2 month driving several thousand miles on the Autobahn and got a bit carried
away.
No point, 60 pound and 3 points.
I had a clean license since 1968 driving all over the world and never had an accident, not even a parking ticket.
So the fact is that I will not pay the fine and the can take me to court, I will still not pay the fine and most properly will get very angry in court because I will speak out and tell them what I think about the Tax the imposing on us.
I think we motorists-criminals paying enough on Tax Fuel Insurance Parking and
all sorts of other taxes.
Regards from an angry Wolf |
| Andrew Pursell |
PC Weal also said that "speed was a major factor in accidents on both roads", and "If you want to fight back. the best way is to stick to the speed limit and remember one in three deaths is caused by a driver going too fast".
If one in three deaths are caused by a driver going too fast then 66% of deaths must be caused by drivers who are not. So get a move on - statistically it's safer! |
| Michael Waugh |
I live in Plymouth and the place is infested with Gatsos. I used to live in
London where things were better. On the road down to Cornwall one has to be
continually on the look out for changing speed limit signs and Gatsos. This means
less concentration on the road and traffic conditions.
Surely this is wrong. I feel nervous and accident prone.
Let us be rid of 80% of these wretched things then maybe drivers would have
more respect for those remaining.
I agree, let us have more warnings of accident blackspots instead.
Michael Waugh
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| Andrew Moore |
Hello,
My name is Andrew Moore.
I do most of my driving in the North West of England. I commute 60+ miles
per day. I am 40 years old, and have been driving for 22 years. I have had
one speeding prosecution (1986 - 3 points [43 in a 30mph zone, when
overtaking a horse box doing 18mph]), otherwise I have held a clean
licence. I have made one claim against my insurance in 22 years (I was ran
into in a car park, not my fault - other party paid in full, no claims not
affected, excess recovered). This I believe provides evidence enough to
claim a track record as being a fairly attentive, skilful driver and of a
low risk to other users on the road.
I do have a specific comments to make regarding the local speed
enforcement regime I witness on my journey to and from work, and control
of traffic in general. However I would like to comment more generally
first, if I may.
Everybody I know discusses driving. The journey to and from work is a
topic for all. Each of us as an individual has very personal views
regarding the skills of ourselves and others on the road. I agree with
what has been written on your web site, regarding 10% of drivers going too
fast and 10% too slow, causing the most traffic problems. The remaining
80% of use get along as best we can, travelling at an appropriate speed,
avoiding the idiot 3 feet off your back bumper at 70+mph, and swerving
around the little old lady in her Micra doing 42mph in the middle lane of
the motorway.
My view had always been:
Bad driving causes accidents. In some instances, speed may be a
contributory factor; but lack of skill, road condition appraisal, ability
to judge distance and, above all, lack of anticipation, cause far more
accidents than anything else.
Statistically, I read once, 9 out of 10 accidents at roundabouts are
caused by undue hesitation by the person in front. Yet, our law would in
early every case favour the person in front who stopped for no good
reason, over the person behind, who ran into the back of them. The law
states you should always be within your braking distance. Fair enough.
However if we all read the road conditions under the assumption that the
person in front is likely to slam on the brakes at any moment, for no
reasonably anticipated reason, the roads would clog up in short order. We
all have to drive in an attentive manner, continually re-assessing the
road conditions and traffic volume, and assuming the drivers around you
have the relevant skills to do the same.
The list of pet hates of most of the people I talk to about driving
involve actions which cause frustration and delays on the roads. Yet most
of these activities endanger all road users, but are not readily
punishable by law. So the authorities concentrate on speeding, and
speeding alone.
Favourites include:
Hogging the middle lane, when the left lane is empty. (technically the
offence of inconsiderate driving - when has anyone been prosecuted of
this?). This is the single most reason for someone to drive too close,
overtake on the inside, or generally drive too fast subsequently to make
up time lost due to the poor driving of others.
Driving in a 40mph zone, on a clear well lit road in the dry at 35mph,
then entering a 30pmh built up area and continuing at the same speed.
Appalling. Obviously not paying attention at all.
Aggressive driving. We've all had it. Stuck in the outside lane with loads
of cars in front all doing 55mph, inside lanes packed. Yet the driver
behind is 6 feet away, pushing you along, moving left and right to
indicate their desire to get past. Yeah, I want to make progress too, but
I can't. No one's going anywhere until the problem clears. When it does,
I'll move out of your way, until then, back off!!
The driving situation has become quite ridiculous in recent years.
Addition of traffic lights on roundabouts 24/7, wall to wall speed
cameras, the totally unrealistic belief by the authorities that speed and
(seemingly) speed alone causes death and injury.
Now to the specifics.
When I first learned to drive I bought an Avenger. Remember them? It had a
66bhp engine, 4 speed box, rear drum brakes, and was capable of 95mph+
(with a tail wind!?). I drove it to Leicester in 1980. I took me 90
minutes. It would do 70mph all day, and accelerated not bad (slow by
modern standards). Yet my girlfriend did the same journey late last year
in a 320d BMW. 150 bhp, top speed 140mph, sub 10 second 0-60 capability.
She took 2 and a half hours. Reason, road conditions. We all know the
roads are full. Yet traffic policy seems to add systems which slow the
traffic down without reason.
This brings me to one of my issues. Traffic lights on busy roundabouts.
Ten years ago they installed the first of these on J7 of the M56 near
Runcorn. Cleverly, it detected when the line of cars backed up the slip
road, switched on, and alleviated a potentially nasty problem of
stationary cars on the left lane of the M56 on the viaduct. When the line
lessened, it went back to 'normal' mode. All very good. However this was
the first, and last, to operate in such a manner.
Nowadays they run 24 hours a day. I am continually held up at night, at an
empty roundabout by a red light, giving way to no-one. Why?
The system around J9 of the M62 near Winwick has had reliability problems,
and the succession of 2 traffic lighted roundabouts and traffic lighted
tee junction to B&Q warehouse has failed a few times. Result, even at 8am,
free flowing traffic.
Traffic lights stop drivers irrespective of traffic conditions. Yeah,
they're timed, and there's pressure pads. They aren't nearly as
sophisticated as they need to be.
Often I will travel along, approaching a green light, which then changes
to red. I stop. I wait. 1 minute goes by, no one else crosses, there's no
one there..........changes to green again. Why?? No other driver triggered
the mechanism. It just stopped my progress.
Next. Slow vehicles.
Why are Ainscough cranes (et al) allowed travel along motorways at 7-50
am?? All they do is clog up the road. They are a major cause of
disruption. A lot of congestion would be removed, by limiting access to
motorways for this type of vehicle to 09:00 to 16:00 and 20:00 to 07:00
Finally, Speed cameras.
The police regularly employ cameras, from a Transit van, on one of the
flyovers on the M62 (eastbound of J7). This has the effect of reducing
speed. Does it make it safer. Absolutely not. At this point there is a 6
mile run to the next junction. Easy gentle curves, farmland either side.
Traffic flows best here, on my entire journey home. The effect of the
cameras is to remove the natural differentiation of speed. Cars and
lorries change lanes into narrow gaps caused by the traffic stagnating in
one pile of vehicles all doing 69.5 to 70.5mph. Brake tapping occurs.
Outside lane shunts become much more likely. I feel stressed. This tactic
achieves nothing.
I understand and accept that the police are taking our money, under the
guise of making the roads safer. It is debatable whether activities such
as this do anything other than acquire revenue for the government.
However, when this tactic actually makes my journey home more dangerous
I become annoyed. The police should not be allowed to set up mobile
cameras until it is proven to make the road in the area safer. If anybody
bothered to observe the effects of this approach by actually driving along
the M62 at 'camera-time' they would realise how dangerous the road
becomes. It takes about 8 miles or so for the traffic to resume its normal
flow. Pointless. Outrageous.
I hope my views and comments are of interest. Something needs to be done
about the totally unacceptable way the motorist is treated in this
country.
Good luck.
Andy.
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| Graham McFarlane |
Hi
very good website, i have to agree with virtually all what you have published.
I've just bought a Vauxhall Vectra GSi, quite a fast car and i have bought a Road Angel GPS device.
I had to have another performance car again after 10 yrs, before i ever have the chance to own one again.
I feel that the days are nearly gone when it is a joy to open up the throttle and have a bit of fun, sad really because it CAN be harmless to speed, obviously not all the time but in places where camera's should never be !
I'd like to know where the revenue goes from these camera's because it doesn't get spent on the roads ,we have a lot of potholes where i live and swerving to avoid them is far more dangerous than speeding a little past a camera.
regards
Graham.
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| Paul Wallace |
Just found your website whilst looking for info on police cash machines.
If only more motorists new the facts! I am also a courier driving
anything up to 3000 accident free miles a week, in the last 6 weeks I've
had 2 Sp30's where the sneaky bastards have been hiding near to fixed
cameras, two more and I'm on the dole - ITS CRAZY.
I have been asking my local paper to run a feature on the subject, in particular
the demanding money with menaces they call a notice of intended prosecution.
No luck yet but will keep trying. Keep up the good work!
P.Wallace
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| Rob R
The funny thing about this email is that it originated from a government website!!! |
Peter
The highway is for everybody, not just those of us who drive for a living. If you don't
want a fine don't do the crime, alternatively by a Gatso detector [about £300 for a good
one] which tells you where they are before you get there.
Incidentally i drive bike, Car and HGV obviously not at the same time, about 75,000
miles a year all over the country. How many points do i have?None.
Cheap as chips gatso detectors.
Rob R.
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| Woody |
Fantastic web page. I enjoyed reading your comments.
I have been "Done" by a dark van on an unlit dual carrigway, at 10 to 7 in the evening.
I drive for 160 miles a day minimum. Motorway mostly. What about people who also have faulty cars and no MOT, Drunk, No licence, still use the mobiles etc etc.
I don't drink Sunday night to Friday night because I have to drive the following day, I am more likely to be banned fom driving than the man who has 20 pints and then drives home in the evening, as there are no Police cars looking at drivers now.
The police are complacent and with camera's being used there should be a reduction in crime as more officers can catch the criminals. Guess what general crime is still increasing.
I have a friend who drives to school in the morning, and then to work. Reverse the route in the afternoon. Now she has had several accidents in the last 3 years, I think its 4.
In the last 15 years I have had 2, one of those was an umarked Police car who hit me, but as I was on my own and there were 2 police men it was obviously my fault.
Now having had these last 3 points I could lose my licence if I get stopped again. But don't worry because my friend is a much better driver than I am.
Last 3 yaers driving for me = 130,000 miles no accidents. My friend 12,000 miles max 3 accidents. My average speed 65 her average speed 15 (School run!)
Blow up all these dam camera's and police our roads.
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| David Rush
David didn't pay a fine |
Yes Peter, the talivan pics were superb.
I know you are busy and please don't feel the need to reply, but I was
caught on 15/12/03 doing 62 in a 50 (previously a 70 about 3 weeks
earlier). Anyway, I couldn't recall whether I was driving or my wife
was. We tend to take turns in driving, and had been invovled in the
hectic pre Christmas present buying and shopping frenzy. As we both
work full time, we take odd half days and some single full days off
together to do this, hence the difficulty in recalling who was driving.
I wrote to the Suffolk Constabulary and requested the photographic
evidence in order to assist me in idendifying the driver and received a
reply without any photographs, saying that they would be considering
taking me to court as it was an offence to withold nominating the
driver and that I had 14 days to do so.
I am writing back to advise them that I am still not able to recall who
was driving and that all I can do is to tell that to the court.
I have include in my letter a reference to Detective Superintendeent
Adrian Roberts, who was not prosecuted for similar in 2001.
If you like, I will let you know what the outcome is.
Regards
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| Tom Brady |
Fluked on your site looking for railways!
Very impressed by your passion ,eloquence and knowledge.Here's one more convert to safety policies that respect the intelligence of the driver rather than seeing him as an easy source of revenue.
Tom Brady
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An Angry Road User. M
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Firstly, fantastic brilliant superb outstanding is just some of many words I
would describe your website..well done
I am an LGV2 truck driver and have been since 1993 and before that i was
driving 7.5t trucks and vans, Basically I have been driving since 17yrs old and
i am now 36.
Until april last year i had an unblemished licence and a proud history of no
accidents, Then one fine day nice and sunny clear visibility on a dead
straight stretch of road single carriageway but wide enough a for dual, I had
finished delivering and heading home with an empty truck I was clocked by a
mobile camera van doing 48mph and the limit for trucks is 40mph but cars etc are
allowed 60 mph, I was 100% focused on my driving so no harm could come to
anybody...
I am now £60 worse off but its even harder to accept that my actions that
day have marked me as a law breaker with 3 points.
I am now bitter, angry and have very little respect for the rules of the
road.
So as for speed cameras working!! The Law should get their facts right!!
An Angry Road User.
M
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